Toyota drivers will now be entertained by a robot

Sales of the pocket robot-interlocutor Kirobo Mini will begin in Japan

The Kirobo Mini mini-robot was first introduced by Toyota developers a year ago - with the unique functionality of a passenger designed to accompany the car driver on trips.

Entertain with communication, give useful tips on various issues.
And do everything so that the driver, even when traveling without human passengers accompanying him, does not feel lonely.

And he always had company that would cheer him up with chatter, especially if a person began to feel sleepy from fatigue or the monotony of the path.

A year has passed - and the creators of the funny robot recalled the chatty electronic baby at the CEATEC exhibition that opened today in Tokyo. Announcing that work on its capabilities continues.

And even having announced the start of sales and the preliminary price of the miniature robot passenger Kirobo Mini - however, so far only for Japan.

It will be possible to buy it there next winter with a price tag of 39,800 yen (almost $400) per copy. And with a subscription to the monthly update of the Kirobo Mini app, without which the mini-robot will not work.

And which will cost 300 yen or just under $3 per month.

Accordingly, for European and Russian users the big-eyed electronic man is not yet relevant - after all, only people who speak Japanese can use it.

However, we suggest that you evaluate its capabilities again. Which, since the first announcement, have been noticeably expanded: now the developers of the Kirobo Mini mini-robot are positioning it not only as a companion passenger for the car driver. But as a universal electronic friend with artificial intelligence for all family members. Which:

will entertain the child and reveal to him a lot of new useful information about the world around him;
will engage a bored elderly person in conversation, becoming his constant interlocutor;
will become the keeper of the heartfelt secrets of a young girl or boy - supporting the owner in moments of sadness and sharing joy.

Overall, the funny mini-robot is designed to become not just a friend, but a family member. Being endowed with certain motor abilities: thanks to the “eye” cameras, Kirobo Mini determines the location of the user and turns its head to address him.

The same cameras, plus software, allow you to recognize emotions on a person’s face. And turn to him with words of support, allowing him to speak out and feel someone’s attention.

Source: http://ladytech.ru/robot-sobesednik-kirobo-mini-postupit-v-prodazhu-v-yaponii/

Reviews. Robot box for cars: how to use it?

The development of the automotive industry does not stand still. People are trying to improve their lives, make it more comfortable and convenient. Car manufacturers are trying to make driving as easy as possible for their customers. Due to this, various technologies are constantly being improved.

Thus, an automatic clutch was attached to the manual transmission. By putting these two elements together, the developers received a so-called robotic transmission, combining all the advantages and disadvantages of the units.

People also know the name “robot box”.

Gearbox device

When clarifying the features of such a design, you need to pay attention to the relevant reviews. The robot box requires specific handling, but in order to understand why, you will need to understand its structure.

Based on the preliminary description, one might think that the overall design is a simple machine with special controls. However, it is not. Let's consider this issue in more detail.

The design is based on a manual transmission, which, according to reviews from both professionals and ordinary drivers, is considered more reliable than an automatic one. This can be understood by reading reviews on the Internet. The robot box has special devices. They are necessary in order to depress the clutch when changing gears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI0UIDU64ps

It is worth noting that when using a conventional manual transmission, the driver independently chooses the shift time. To do this, he focuses on what is happening on the road and uses the clutch pedal in conjunction with the transmission lever itself.

When developing a new device, which received controversial reviews from drivers, the robot box showed itself from a completely different side. It was decided to exclude the direct actions of the driver from the above process. All important switching is carried out by the computer.

For the successful functioning of the robot, special actuator units were installed. Thanks to them, gear shifting, controlled by the computer itself, became possible.

Judging by the reviews, consumers note several main advantages. We are talking about huge fuel savings and ease of repair. Also, some consumers like the absence of a clutch pedal. Another advantage highlighted by drivers is that it is possible to manually change gear.

How does it work?

The box in question operates using actuator units, which we have already discussed earlier. They collect information about such details as driving speed, power unit speed, and the operation of some sensors.

Based on the received data, the computer makes a decision about which transmission needs to be activated. As far as drivers know, the servo is responsible for the clutch. It is he who receives the command to change the mode and disconnects the engine from the input shaft.

During this process, the second servo is activated, it selects the gear that is needed and instantly turns it on. After a second, the engine is reconnected to the shaft, and the car continues on its way. This whole process happens as quickly as possible, so the person doesn’t even notice.

All he can notice is a small impulse, but nothing more. This is exactly how this “robot” gearbox works. We'll look at the reviews below.

Servo drives come in two types. There are electric and hydraulic. The first is a motor that is capable, using a gearbox, of moving the executive part. The hydraulic one operates through a special cylinder. It receives commands directly from the control unit.

Transmission Benefits

During use, drivers identify existing disadvantages and advantages. Of course, we need to talk about them too. What statements can you come across when researching reviews? The robot box has its own characteristics. Let's first look at the benefits.

Consumers note that, unlike an automatic transmission and a CVT, a robotic gearbox is reliable and more convenient.
Almost all models of the described transmission are capable of operating in manual mode, in which the driver can change gears himself.
Many buyers notice that the robot box (positive reviews predominate) has a much smaller working volume. Accordingly, a small amount of oil is needed.
If you put cars with different transmissions in the same driving conditions, then the consumption of the robotic one is much less than that of others.
The clutch of the described gearbox has a 30% higher service life.
Consumers have noticed that the maintenance and repair work of such a transmission is much cheaper.
The weight of a robotic gearbox is not as heavy as that of an automatic one. Due to this, it is easier to install it on a small car.

Disadvantages of the gearbox

Even with such a list of advantages, the device also has its disadvantages, which may scare off some drivers. Let's look at them.

Unfortunately, the most commonplace and cheapest robotic boxes are not able to adapt to the particular driving behavior of a particular driver. In this it was surpassed by the automatic transmission, which easily adapts to the driving style. There is only one type of driving here. It is built into the firmware as standard.
If the robot box (reviews in this regard are quite negative) is installed in conjunction with an electric servo drive, then it shows a slight delay in operation. That is, the resulting pause between signal transmission and the switching itself sometimes reaches two seconds. This is not a serious drawback, but it can cause inconvenience when driving evenly and accelerating.
If a hydraulic drive is used together with a robotic gearbox, then it should be noted that the switching speeds up to almost 0.05 seconds. This seems like a small number, but you can feel it while driving. But such a drive is both expensive to buy and expensive to install. Moreover, it heavily loads the engine in terms of energy, which is why it is often used in sports cars or other expensive cars.

Development of the gearbox - the emergence of preselective

Due to the fact that the box has its shortcomings, the first developments were received rather poorly. The main thing that drivers did not like was the jerks that appeared when driving. Most likely, this was felt due to the low speed of operation. But the developers, due to the low cost and ease of assembly, continued to look for solutions to the problems that arose.

In order to correct the situation and reduce the delay time when switching, designers began to use boxes together with two clutches that operate independently of each other.

This made it possible to completely get rid of significant delays and jerks. The dynamics of the car have increased significantly; Also, consumer demand has increased sharply. Even then, the robot box began to gain popularity.

Owner reviews gradually became better.

Now let's talk about who was the first to use robotic gearboxes. The pioneers are Audi and the German Volkswagen. They have been installing such transmissions on their cars since 2003. Reviews about exactly how the gearbox works on their cars will be described below.

What were the benefits of using a double clutch? Due to it, the required gear is switched on before the previous one is switched off. And thus the car continuously moves from one to another, while maintaining traction in the required volume. This robotic gearbox is called preselective. She is the second generation.

Returning to the design of the device, it must be said that a regular box of any type works with one primary and secondary shaft. The same design received two of them. For what? Each pair is responsible for either odd or even transmission. The primary shafts are arranged like a nesting doll, that is, one is nested inside the other.

They are connected to the power unit via a multi-disc clutch.

Advantages and disadvantages of the second generation

By combining all the best developments in the second generation gearboxes, that is, those that operate with double clutch, they received a more economical and faster driving technology. They are also extremely comfortable to use. Due to its small volumes, such a box is more rational and cost-effective to use in small cars than an automatic one.

But even with a lot of advantages, there are also some disadvantages. For example, unlike the first generation, such a transmission is much more difficult to repair. Moreover, this will amount to a decent amount, which not all drivers have at their disposal. There was also previously a problem with torque, but now this nuance has been completely eliminated.

Robot box on an Opel car

In the model range of the Opel manufacturer, there are sometimes cars with a robotic gearbox. Unfortunately, there are more negative reviews about them than positive ones. Perhaps this is the fault of the Opel manufacturer itself.

The robotic gearbox, which we are reviewing reviews of, only works with 1 clutch. This brings some discomfort, as the driver can feel the gear shift process. Most cars are equipped with just this option, but there are also models with the second generation.

According to reviews, it will take quite a long time to get used to the box, it is specific. However, this is possible, and after a decent interval of time it becomes as convenient to use as possible. Separately, they note that the price tags for such machines and gearbox repairs are low, so this can be identified as a separate advantage. It allows you to close your eyes to frivolous disadvantages.

Drivers often note that it is necessary to regularly reconfigure the clutch. Due to the fact that the Opel manufacturer practically did not take care of this issue, the robotic box (reviews about this are constantly encountered) seems to live its own life. It does not adapt to the driver’s driving style, so sometimes it can even get confused.

In general, few people advise purchasing a car from Opel with a robotic gearbox. If you still want to try it, then you should take a closer look at the most expensive options. However, you need to take into account that you will have to watch twice as carefully on the road so as not to miss it if the gearbox suddenly starts to “slow down”.

Robot box on the Opel Astra

We have already discussed the general situation regarding Opel above; I would like to separately touch on the Astra car, which used a robotic gearbox.

“Astra”, reviews of which are controversial, but not bad, received a first-generation design, so we can say that it is designed for an amateur. Moreover, we are talking about the process of operation, and not about repair.

Some drivers note that it is better with such a gearbox than with a manual one. However, its work is much worse when compared with the conventional and most famous automated one.

Many people note that the robotic box on the Astra does not like traffic jams and sometimes begins to malfunction. Depending on the nature of the failure, the unit can be much cheaper to repair than an automated transmission. However, it cannot be said that this is really true in all cases.

Robot box on Toyota Corolla

Considering that each person has his own preferences in choosing a car and its transmission, the driver will decide for himself whether this Toyota is suitable for him. The robot box, which has good reviews in 80% of cases, shows normal operation. However, it still has some disadvantages.

Before purchasing a car, many people think about which transmission will be better? To do this, let's look at the advantages and disadvantages. We will do this taking into account the feedback from the robot box.

Drivers' odes of praise are dedicated to the Corolla with such equipment. They say that a small amount of fuel is consumed during operation. Moreover, it is easier to maintain and much cheaper. But there are also disadvantages.

Which ones? The automatic changes gears somewhat faster than the robot. Sometimes the smoothness of operation fails, which affects the dynamics of the ride and comfort in general. And also, before driving anywhere in winter, you will always have to warm up the car.

Otherwise, there is a high probability that the transmission will malfunction.

Not all drivers enthusiastically accept the fact that a robotic gearbox is installed on the Toyota Corolla. Reviews from most consumers make it clear that the machine is easy to operate and problems rarely arise. But again, it is necessary to understand the specifics of the operation of such a transmission and be ready to adapt to it.

Robot box on a Lada car

Let's consider a legendary car from a domestic manufacturer with a robotic transmission. Let's try to understand the advantages and disadvantages, taking into account the reviews. Lada-Vesta, whose robot box is not liked by all consumers, has become widespread on the market. Everyone writes that it will take a long time to get used to, but this is not a problem at all.

There are a lot of good reviews on the Internet. They make it possible to understand that the main problem of such a box is only the switching speed is too low (compared to an automatic transmission).

Quite often, drivers do not use manual mode; as a rule, the situation does not require it. Often, an urgent need appears only when driving in a large flow of cars.

And as you know, the gearbox does not adapt to the driver’s particular driving style, so it is safer and more profitable to use the manual mode.

Some consumers don't like the prospect of self-driving at all, because the transmission is given to the computer, and it must always control it without human intervention.

Also, among the advantages, consumers note that the robotic gearbox does not heavily load the power unit, so the ride is as convenient and comfortable as possible. The process of changing gear after acceleration occurs quite quickly.

However, working with one clutch is practically a thing of the past. This greatly hinders the development of such gearboxes, because the first generation models receive a lot of negativity, and this reduces the popularity of the device itself.

In general, Lada Vesta is considered a normal, inexpensive option. As a rule, it is purchased by those who are just learning to drive; more advanced people do not pay attention to it.

Robot box on a Ford Focus car

Unfortunately, the robotic box received far from encouraging reviews from owners of the Ford Focus car. We can safely say that it attracted a lot of negativity and condemnation towards the American manufacturer. The first thing drivers didn’t like was the cost of repairs. Many people write that, having learned its price, they wanted to resell the car and buy a “normal” one with an automatic transmission.

But this robot box still has some advantages. Reviews (“Focus” is not the only model where a similar design was installed) allow us to confirm this fact. For example, this car has a second generation gearbox. During the trip, you feel the maximum level of convenience and comfort. The operation is seamless and gear changes are almost imperceptible.

In general, some consumers recommend purchasing such a car, others do not. It all depends on taste, as there are no serious shortcomings.

However, when choosing, you need to think carefully and weigh everything, only then decide to take such a serious step as buying a robotic Ford car.

The robot box, reviews of which we have already reviewed, is the most important part in the car; its selection must be approached carefully.

Source: http://fb.ru/article/304913/otzyivyi-korobka-robot-dlya-avto-kak-eyu-polzovatsya

Algorithm of operation of a robotic gearbox - logbook Toyota Auris 2007 on DRIVE2

Recently, a lot of discussions have appeared on Drive about the operation of the MMT robotic gearbox on Toyota Corolla, Auris, Yaris.

Some specialists who are not familiar with the principles or algorithms of the transmission and, above all, its clutch, give advice on switching the gearbox selector lever based only on their conjectures or brief experience (driving) on a robot with a non-modernized clutch.

By cars with a non-modernized clutch, I mean those Corollas and Aurises that for some reason did not fall under the service company to replace actuators, MMT controllers and possibly the clutch itself.

I myself got into such a campaign a little by accident: I arrived in 2008 or 2009 for the next maintenance visit to the officials and, when asked by the inspector about any complaints about the operation of the car, he said that there were some problems with starting off. And this is what happened: 1.

it became almost impossible to crawl in traffic jams in traffic, since when the brake pedal was released, the car itself did not start moving (there was no assistance at start),2. When you pressed the accelerator pedal, the pedal went down, and the car stood still, and then there was a sharp jerk forward, so much so that you could actually drive into the rear of the car in front.

During the maintenance, I was then adjusted to the clutch and informed that my Toyota was covered by the warranty replacement campaign. A week later they called me back and offered to drive up to the OD. During warranty repairs, they replaced the clutch basket assembly due to wear (due to improper operation of the actuator), the actuator and the MMT controller. The amount under the Warranty Services Certificate was stated to be about 97 thousand rubles, but as you understand, it only cost me 100 rubles for the technological washing. The behavior of the car before and after the warranty replacement changed dramatically - it was as if I was getting into a new car. However, let's return to our topic.

So the user manual says the following:

The gearshift lever must be moved to neutral only during a long stop. What is the reason for this? Yes, basic driver safety requirements - if your foot “goes numb” while pressing the brake pedal or accidentally jumps off the brake pedal, then there is a real possibility of hitting someone in the backside. Agree, this is a very unpleasant moment.

And in other short stops, press the brake, but constantly press the brake all the way. Many people here say that the clutch gets hot in this mode, but this is complete nonsense. The clutch may overheat if the actuator or transmission controller is faulty, that is, the clutch does not release when the brake pedal is pressed.

Even more than once during the operation of the car, I myself was faced with the fact that without turning off the gear to neutral, I put the car on the handbrake and with the engine and gearbox running in position E, I got out of the car to unload the trunk or for some other business for up to 5-10 minutes.

I have never encountered the fact of a blinking or lighting up gear when the clutch is heating up.

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The terms are very interesting: I don’t understand the difference between LIT and LIT

While rummaging through the NETWORK in search of information about the principles of operation of the robot box on Toyotas, I came across a very well-explained video in which it is clear when the clutch in the robot is open and when it is clamped.

Original video HERE

In this video, the algorithm for the operation of the clutch on the MMT box clearly confirms the absence of a mandatory technical (preventing heating of the clutch) need to engage neutral at stops, since whenever the brake is pressed, the clutch is OPEN.

However, all this is suitable for technically sound robotic boxes with updated actuators and a controller, on machines where this magical dance with tambourines has not been performed, by replacing the specified parts, all that remains is to pull the gear selector lever or the “stirrer” (whichever is more familiar to you) from E to N at every stop.

Good luck to all!

Source: https://www.drive2.com/l/8816145/

MMT (Robot) – Let’s figure it out – Engine and transmission

Sent 13 July 2007 – 14:10

Hi all!
I'm choosing a car and I really liked the Auris! I want to ask - does anyone have a manual version with a 1.4 engine? Is it enough? Is it convenient to change gears? Otherwise, only 1.6 robots are on the test, and I don’t want a robot...

Sent 15 July 2007 – 19:05

Good day, Elena! A manual version exists for cars with both a 1.4 and a 1.6 engine. According to people, 1.4 is quite enough for this car (97 hp.

) Regarding the box, even when buying a car with a manual transmission, you get a box with a robotic clutch. The disadvantage of this design is the speed of gear shifting.

For example, when switching from “first” gear to “reverse” there is a delay, which is not very pleasant when parking. But you can get used to everything :)

Posted 23 July 2007 – 13:53

Let's figure out how to use the robot correctly. I'll post comments later.

How does it even work? Share your impressions<\p>

Sent 24 July 2007 – 09:24

I have no experience using MMT, but I found the opinion of someone who uses it.

Sent 27 July 2007 – 11:31

And he is right who shared his opinion on the use of MMT!

Posted 12 August 2007 – 23:03

I can say with confidence that 1.4 for an Auris, whether it’s a manual or a robot, is not enough!) It’s not enough)

Posted 12 August 2007 – 23:24

1.4 on a manual, I think it should be enough for quite dynamic driving, especially in the city!
I ride 1.6 myself. robot, I think 1.6 manual would be faster, BUT laziness

Posted 14 August 2007 – 23:32

1.4 is not enough for dynamic driving)))

Posted 15 August 2007 – 09:16

My 1.4 with manual is red. The dynamics are enough for me, the consumption on the highway is excellent and around the city it is beautiful. You don't need speakers in traffic jams. When you turn the engine over 4500 rpm, you get a second wind ps Insurance is cheaper, because it’s 100 hp. fits in

Sent August 15, 2007 – 10:37

at 1500-2500 rpm there is no dynamics at all, so 1.4 is for driving slowly, without accelerating sharply.. As they say, cheap and cheerful. After 3500 I don’t argue 1.4 should be enough.

Posted 19 August 2007 – 23:59

And if the air conditioner is on? 1.6 starts to get a little dull (((

Posted 20 August 2007 – 02:05

And compared to other cars, it doesn’t slow down!

Posted 20 August 2007 – 16:48

Could it be worse?

Posted 20 August 2007 – 17:09

1.6 + manual!!!!! This is the right choice - bullet nah... 10.4 - 100 km/h

Posted 20 August 2007 – 17:20

Has anyone measured the acceleration? I’m thinking about how best to do this, it seems to me that we could drop a couple of hundredths, but they increase it a little at the factory. It seems to me

Posted 20 August 2007 – 17:26

It’s not so important a couple of tenths, you won’t feel them

Posted 20 August 2007 – 17:47

Well, you can’t feel it, but I think it’s a couple of meters for sure, it’s just interesting. Damn, I don’t get the feeling that if it’s correct to accelerate it, then 10 seconds 0-100...

Posted 22 August 2007 – 09:29

go to afterburner, you'll feel it there)

Posted 05 May 2008 – 11:05

I've read a lot here, I'm waiting for the job))) did I make the right choice?

Posted 05 May 2008 – 12:22

Correct.

Source: http://taclub.ru/index.php?showtopic=1664&page=9

Riding a robot, Perm

– How to drive correctly?

#1 Yjin_Knizevs Posted 02/10/2015 – 14:31 I was once driving with a lady as a passenger in her car - a Toyota Corolla (about 2010, the same body was produced 2 years ago) with a robot. So, this lady turned on “neutral” at every traffic light, and before starting to move she turned on “drive” again. To my question about the meaning of this act, she replied that she was taught this way at a car dealership (the one located on Ghasana) - like this way the box lasts longer. I looked on the Internet - the opinions of car enthusiasts differ. I did not find any official information about the need to turn on “neutral”. My reasoning is as follows: the robot is the same manual transmission but with automatic gear selection => “neutral” and so it turns on itself when the car stops. But if I’m wrong and my conclusions are not correct, then show me some official material where the method of driving a car with a “robot” is regulated. And at the same time, explain the point of buying a “robot” in the city, if you still have to constantly switch the selector.

Post edited by Yjin_Knizevs: 02/10/2015 – 14:33

#2 Mirotvorez Posted 02/10/2015 – 14:40

Yjin_Knizevs (10.02.2015 – 14:31) wrote:

And at the same time, explain the point of buying a “robot” in the city, if you still have to constantly switch the selector.

I have the right to judge, so I have no friends...
I have the right to execute, so I have no enemies...

#3 Yjin_Knizevs Posted 02/10/2015 – 14:48

Mirotvorez (10.02.2015 – 14:40) wrote:

Yjin_Knizevs (10.02.2015 – 14:31) wrote:

And at the same time, explain the point of buying a “robot” in the city, if you still have to constantly switch the selector.

A “robot” is a kind of “automatic machine,” but the choice of a robot as opposed to an automatic machine is by no means obvious. IMHO, an automatic is preferable for city driving. At least the 4-speed one I have allows me to shift down to any of the 4 gears that I need. I understand this - I am interested in the question of switching to “neutral” at every traffic light. #4 Dublin Posted 02/10/2015 – 15:59

Don't worry about it, just DON'T BUY the robot and that's it.

Shut Up and Ride! Nobody Lives Forever

#5 Yjin_Knizevs Posted 02/10/2015 – 16:11

Thanks for the advice. Nobody is going to take it. I have a manual transmission. But the issue of management regulations has not been resolved.

#6 Hank_Moody Posted 02/10/2015 – 16:45

Yjin_Knizevs (10.02.2015 – 16:11) wrote:

Thanks for the advice. Nobody is going to take it. I have a manual transmission. But the issue of management regulations has not been resolved.

Everything is simple - in a dense traffic jam we switch to neutral, during short stops we don’t worry. I drove an Astra with a robot for 4 years - everything was great. #7 Diselist Posted 02/10/2015 – 17:08

Yjin_Knizevs (10.02.2015 – 16:11) wrote:

But the issue of management regulations has not been resolved.

IMHO the stupid managers at the salon brainwashed the girl. And so, everything is written in the car’s operating instructions. I wouldn't bother with neutral, just like I didn't when I drove a regular automatic.#8 McVin Posted 02/11.

2015 – 10:43 You need to either switch to neutral or press the brake harder. When parking in D mode, the robot analyzes the pressure in the brake system; the lower it is, the smaller the gap between the driven and driven discs.

That is, if you are standing still, but keep the brake pedal slightly pressed, just so that the car does not move, the discs at this moment are not completely apart. This is where overheating, jerking, etc. come from.

If it’s easier with preselectives, there are two disks, the load on each is less, then with isitronics it’s more difficult, there’s only one disk, the entire load goes on it.

Hobby: DSG repair. There are already five satisfied owners.

#9 Yjin_Knizevs Posted 02/11/2015 – 10:46

Is there a link to the official source?

#10 McVin Posted 02/11/2015 – 10:49

Yjin_Knizevs (11.02.2015 – 10:46) wrote:

Is there a link to the official source?

Laughed)

Hobby: DSG repair. There are already five satisfied owners.

#11 Darth_Vader Posted 02/11/2015 – 10:56 It’s precisely in the Corolla’s operating instructions that it is better to turn on neutral on the robot when parked for a long time (from several minutes).Standing on the brake with neutral not engaged is the same as standing with the clutch depressed.

no opposition will escape us

#12 Jah Posted 02/11/2015 – 11:04

Lightning McQueen (02/11/2015 – 10:43) wrote:

You need to either switch to neutral or press the brake harder. When parking in D mode, the robot analyzes the pressure in the brake system; the lower it is, the smaller the gap between the driven and driven discs.

That is, if you are standing still, but keep the brake pedal slightly pressed, just so that the car does not move, the discs at this moment are not completely apart. This is where overheating, jerking, etc. come from.

If it’s easier with preselectives, there are two disks, the load on each is less, then with isitronics it’s more difficult, there’s one disk, the entire load goes on it. In fact, it also depends on the firmware. On the same Opels, only in 2008 or in 2009, the firmware of the “brains” of the manual transmission was changed, after 5 seconds (15? - I don’t remember exactly) of “downtime” - the disks are completely separated. But before, no, that’s why there were quite reasonable recommendations to plug in a neutral.

And before, I drive an Izik myself, sometimes I switch to neutral at “long” traffic lights, but that’s according to my mood.

Post edited by Jha: 02/11/2015 – 11:07

#13 KAMAZist Posted 02/11/2015 – 12:09

I often drive on DSG7. I don’t turn on N at traffic lights. If the standing time is no more than 2 minutes. Why even take a car with an automatic transmission or a robot if you oil the lever at every intersection?... Or take it and then whine that the transmission might break?... Why the hell is it necessary. I use it as expected and don’t worry. She won't give a damn

You don't have to prove your innocence. Code of Administrative Offenses @ Article 1.5. clause 3

#14 DN-2001 Posted 02/11/2015 – 12:40

KAMAZ driver (02/11/2015 – 12:09) wrote:

Nothing will happen to the box, but the clutch and release will last longer if you switch to neutral. Well, you will have to adapt less often. The robot is not pre-selective - hemorrhagic!#15 Pular Posted on 11.02.

2015 – 12:42 3 weeks ago I was driving a Lexus with a girl behind the wheel, so throughout the whole ShK she turned on the parking at the traffic lights)) the number was s200uk or s300uk)))) I don’t know what it is about the Lexus rx robot is not a robot..

Post edited by Pular: 02/11/2015 – 12:44

#16 vd68 Posted 02/11/2015 – 1:56 p.m. I myself had a ’08 Corolla on a robot (in the family since ’98 there have been automatic machines because of the wife, mostly hydrachas, including the right one, so there’s something to compare with) On a Corolla everything is simple. Essentially, this is an ordinary mechanic with a robotic clutch. Accordingly, if the parking is short, then we don’t switch, if it’s long, then we take it to the neutral. Although you can not switch (my wife, for example, didn’t switch), nothing bad will happen, everything is provided for by the design. There is a video on YouTube showing how to install the wheels on a Corolla yourself. A couple of contacts on the diagnostic connector are bridged, several certain manipulations are carried out with the lever and brake, and you won’t recognize the car. In the West, this manipulation was done at every maintenance, but we don’t, hence the heap of crap for these robots. Therefore, I am inclined to think that the main problem with robots in Russia is lousy official servicemen. #17 yoda Posted 02/11/2015 – 15:03

Darth_Vader (11.02.2015 – 10:56) wrote:

Just in the Corolla operating instructions it is said that it is better to turn on neutral on the robot when parked for a long time (from several minutes). Standing on the brake with neutral not engaged is the same as standing with the clutch depressed. That’s what was said in the MB salon when purchasing B-class, with a CVT though. I even switched to neutral on the hydraulics if it was clear that the congestion was going to last for a long time. Damn it, press the brakes

Post edited by yoda: 02/11/2015 – 15:04

Most people are alive only because, by law, they cannot be shot.

#18 basil959 Posted 02/11/2015 – 15:15

Yjin_Knizevs (10.02.2015 – 14:31) wrote:

I was once driving with a lady as a passenger in her car - a Toyota Corolla (about 2010, the same body was produced 2 years ago) with a robot.

2010 is not 2 bodies ago, this is the previous body, which was equipped with classic automatic machines from the 10th year.

Yjin_Knizevs (10.02.2015 – 14:31) wrote:

So, this lady turned on “neutral” at every traffic light, and before starting to move she turned on “drive” again.

Some people do this on automatic machines, but I don’t think there’s any point.

Yjin_Knizevs (10.02.2015 – 14:31) wrote:

My reasoning is as follows: the robot is the same manual transmission but with automatic gear selection => “neutral” and so it turns on itself when the car stops.

No. And on automatic transmissions it doesn’t switch to neutral either. The point is big - you don’t need to squeeze the stupid clutch and pull the lever while driving, but only at traffic lights.#19 Yjin_Knizevs Sent 02/11/2015 – 15:21

As a result: how many people have so many opinions.

#20 McVin Posted 02/11/2015 – 15:26

Yjin_Knizevs (11.02.2015 – 15:21) wrote:

As a result: how many people have so many opinions.

Well, first of all, there are only two opinions. And secondly, I personally did not express an opinion, but how the manual transmission works. But really, everyone decides for themselves how to use it.

Hobby: DSG repair. There are already five satisfied owners.

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How to ride a robot and how to use it correctly

Car enthusiasts who decide to buy a car with a robotic gearbox often wonder how to drive with such a system? In this article we will look at how to use the robot box.

An automatic robotic gearbox, commonly referred to as a robotic gearbox, is a conventional manual transmission that includes a compact electronic unit, electronic clutch control and automated gear shifting. The robot box combines reliability, comfort and fuel efficiency.

Today, almost all automakers equip their cars with such boxes, each of them has its own unique design and patented name. What’s most interesting is that the “robot” is cheaper than a classic automatic transmission.

Robotic gearbox

About the device

One of the branches of development of mechanical transmissions led to the creation of a robotic gearbox, which combined the reliability of a “mechanics” with the convenience of an “automatic”.

Due to the fact that all the driver’s work began to be performed by actuators - servos of the unit, the characteristics increased. Now the electronic unit takes care of gear shifting itself.

All a person needs to do is set the selector to the desired position, like in a gearbox, and enjoy the ride.

There are robots with manual gear shift mode. For example, a 2-Tronic box can serve in three modes. The first is automatic, when a person does not touch the gears at all.

The second is semi-mechanical, in case the driver wants to control the clutch independently, for example, when overtaking another car and at the same time is in automatic mode.

The third mode is completely manual, where everything depends only on the driver.

As for those who like to drive fast, a cam robotic gearbox is just right for them. It is the fastest of all types of robotic boxes; you can switch speeds in 0.15 seconds.

Cars with such a box contain a clutch pedal, but it is used only when the vehicle starts moving. Further, shifting occurs as in a sports motorcycle - without using the clutch.

Preselective gearbox

Manual transmissions can have an electric or hydraulic clutch drive. In the first version, the “organs” are servomechanisms (electric motors). As for hydraulic, everything here is based on hydraulic cylinders.

Automakers such as Peugeot, Fiat, Renault, BMW, Volkswagen, Citroen and others equip their robotic gearboxes with a hydraulic drive. As for the electric drive, the following companies are working with it: Ford, Opel, Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi.

Other Korean manufacturing companies have not yet decided to introduce robots due to the complexity of design and maintenance.

Operating principle of a robotic gearbox

Manual transmission has the same operating principle as a manual transmission. It has the same three shafts: driven, intermediate and driving, the same gears and gear ratios. As mentioned above, robots are controlled by servos, otherwise known as actuators.

These devices engage and disengage the shaft gears, and also connect and disconnect the box with the engine flywheel. Control over the process was taken over by an electronic unit that sends commands to a hydraulic drive or electric motor.

Based on the input sensor signals, the block generates a control algorithm that depends on external conditions, and implements it through actuators. All the driver can do is use the paddle selector to change gears.

Automatic transmission with torque converter

Robotic dual-clutch gearboxes

Since in the first robotic gearboxes the clutch shift time is slow (up to 2 s), leading to freezes and shocks in the dynamics, it was decided to eliminate the problem by creating a dual-clutch robotic gearbox that transfers speeds without interrupting the power flow. The technology originated in the late 80s of the last century. The point is that the two clutches work alternately, and not both at once. Together with the double clutch, the preselective gearboxes contain two more input shafts.

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Robotic gearbox: operating principle, differences, driving

Many people believe, and by the way, quite rightly, that progress is driven by nothing more than ordinary human laziness. That is why many automotive engineers are trying to make life easier for car enthusiasts and want to see in the car interior not three pedals, as usual, but only two - the brake and gas pedals.

Operating principle of a robotic gearbox

Robotic gearbox as an improvement to “mechanics” and an alternative to “automatic”

It's simple, it's a regular manual gearbox, albeit supplemented with several auxiliary systems. These systems are responsible for the operation of the clutch (turning it on and off), and also sequentially shifting gears up or down, while selecting it correctly.

Even the operating principle of robotic gearboxes is the same as that of a manual gearbox.

But, of course, there are differences, the most important of which is the presence of actuators, that is, the clutch operation in the robotic box is entrusted to servos.

The actuators are controlled by an electronic unit and driven by a compact electric motor. So, for example, when operating a robot manually, the driver engages first gear before starting to move.

The electronic unit recognizes the command and at the same time the first servo drive depresses the clutch, and the second at this time moves the desired synchronizer and locks the first gear.

Diagram of operation of a robotic gearbox

Next, the servo begins to smoothly release the clutch. Subsequent transmissions are activated in a similar way. However, if the driver switches to automatic gearshift mode, the actions will change slightly.

The command to change gears will come from the computer, which will also take into account the speed of movement, engine speed, and will not ignore the readings of the ABS and ESP systems.

In this case, the driver will be an extra, that is, his task will be to operate the pedals, and the electronics and the gearbox actuator will do the grunt work. Reviews of robotic boxes show two distinct poles:

Of course, manufacturers are struggling with this and are trying to replace two actuators with one electromagnetic one, here they “kill two birds with one stone” - the overall dimensions and weight have been reduced, but most importantly, the gear engagement time has been reduced by as much as eight times.

It is also necessary to note such an innovation as the appearance of robotic gearboxes with two clutches. These boxes are characterized by high speed, durability, and they are the ones that have the future.

Note that drivers are accustomed to this type of transmission and lower the engine speed themselves before shifting, and, of course, aggressive driving is not encouraged by such drivers.

Differences between a robotic gearbox and an “automatic” and a “variator”

“Automatic” replaced the manual transmission in the mid-fifties of the last century. The popularity of the automatic transmission is understandable, because compared to a robotic gearbox, shifts occur smoothly, without interruption in the power flow between the engine and the wheels.

But accordingly, there is a major disadvantage - it is a large mass. The weight has increased due to the fact that the gears in the automatic transmission have been replaced by planetary gears, the hydraulic system has been added, and the clutch is now represented by a torque converter. Nowadays, automatic transmissions with eight gear levels are not uncommon.

But it is true, it is worth noting that the efficiency of the “automatic” is worse than that of the “mechanics”.

Video: DSG robotic gearbox

“CVTs” are interesting in their design because they have no gears at all. The most common is the V-belt design. That is, the design has two pulleys, one of which is connected to the engine, and the other to the transmission. The belt or chain drives the engine's torque. Of course, there are also disadvantages.

The engine efficiency is greatly reduced by the presence of a fluid coupling. It is clear that when choosing the type of transmission, the purely subjective opinion of the car enthusiast will be taken into account. If you have to push around in traffic jams, pay attention to an “automatic” or “variator”; if you often drive off the asphalt, a manual is preferable.

But the best way to learn to drive a car is with a manual transmission; here you can feel the engine and the behavior of the car better.

To summarize the above, we note that a robotic gearbox is a manual gearbox with automated control.

The most famous robotic box designs are:

DSG (Direct Shift Gearbox);
SMG (Sequential M Gearbox);
Easytronic.

How to ride a robot box

Features of controlling the robot box

To enjoy driving a car with a robotic gearbox, you need to remember a number of recommendations:

Help change gears (by lowering the engine speed before shifting);
Do not press the gas pedal sharply (the protection will work and neutral will turn on);
When climbing a long mountain, switch to manual control (there will be no cyclic switching);
Accelerate smoothly (shocks when switching will decrease);
You cannot drive for a very long time at a slow pace or uphill (the clutch will overheat if it constantly slips);
Drive in modes in which the clutch is fully engaged.

Pros and cons of robotic gearboxes.)

There are many positive aspects of this unit that can be collected and we use reviews from ordinary owners of “robots”. The design of the box is essentially the same mechanics, which means it is more reliable than that of an automatic or CVT.

Pros of the robot box

With smaller volumes, it requires correspondingly less oil (3 liters), for a classic automatic machine - about 6-8 liters;
This type of transmission has high maintainability; any service has studied the design of the box thoroughly;
The clutch has a service life of 30-40% more than other types of boxes;
Almost all robotic gearboxes have a manual gear shift mode, that is, you can drive the car almost like a mechanic;
And the most important advantage can be considered efficiency, fuel consumption is approximately the same as with a manual car.

Disadvantages of the robot box

The most annoying thing here is that many robots are not programmable. That is, in order to change the firmware of some boxes, you will have to change the entire box control unit;
The thoughtfulness of the robotic box also haunts the driver; he has to calculate every moment of changing lanes to the smallest detail and switch to a lower gear in advance;
It is not uncommon to experience annoying jerks when shifting gears while moving or when starting from a stop; this can only be cured by flashing or replacing the control unit.

But you can get used to everything, and, of course, you can easily adapt to the “robot”.
In conclusion, I would like to say: there is no need to be afraid of robotic boxes. According to the owners' reviews, they are not that scary and do not cause much trouble to maintain. Therefore, when choosing the type of transmission, listen to yourself, and if it’s yours, take it and have fun.

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